Nope. Farage is clear he will neither deal with Islam, or deport the thousands of girl hungry savages we keep taking in. Unless that happens, we are done for. Get real. Islam is colonising Europe. Ms. Ayaan Ali Hirsi is quite clear on that, and she should know.
Quran/Sharia bound Islam, stuck in the 11th century is completely incompatible with secular Europe.
“We don’t want to alienate Islam”. Idiot, the Quran is clear that it is already alienated from Christianity and Judaism.
Restore Britain is just the “Your Party” of the Right, that’s obvious, but Farage could have worked harder to bring Lowe back into the fold. They clearly both have absolutely titanic personal egos.
Lowe is driven by his personal dislikes in a way Farage saw too often in his UKIP days, eventually leading to him leaving the party. I suspect that's why Farage wanted him out because Lowe is not a well-meaning but overzealous chap, he is a disruptor who dislikes being questioned.
Would like to apologise for previously being sympathetic to the Lotus Eaters - thought even if a bit intellectually lazy they were effective in keeping elements of the online right engaged with “content” - in retrospect just a liability; willfully attempting to damage Reform for what seems to be a fantasy Swindon is the revolutionary vanguard?
Restore Britain may not be the answer, Advance may not be the answer but a party which isn't explicitly committed to opposing Islam certainly isn't going to solve our problems.
You are a long-standing fan of Farage. Nothing new there. But Farage is a snare and a delusion. A charlatan opportunist. Can't be trusted. Rupert Lowe is the real McCoy. Restore wlll scupper 'Deform',God willing! 😇
Restore is only two weeks old and growing rapidly, so a little early to write them off just yet, considering the election is still three years away. Close to 100,000 members in two weeks is quite the accomplishment, though it would be interesting to know how many members are British as opposed to foreign. Agreed Restore have a long way to go but Report Lowe seems more statesman like, dynamic, trustworthy and results oriented than Nigel Farage. It’s not a good look for Farage in his parties treatment of Lowe when he kicked him out of Reform. I would say Reform is hoist by its own petard. Not a good look for Farage castigating Restore as a far right party, also, Matt Goodwin referring to Restore supporters as far right in his Gorton and Denton campaigning.
You make the assumption that people will agree with Jack. The biggest issue that isn't addressed is people just don't trust Reform, and all the promises about XYZ don't matter if that's the case.
If the fundamental issue does boil down to trust, then Reform better start working out a way to fixing it. Every time they screech Nazi at people wanting demographic security it proves they are untrustworthy.
Trust is hard to get and it can be destroyed with a dumb Edgington interview.
Right on the money. A leader needs to earn trust. Take Starmer for example, backtracking on nearly every issue he puts forward. Lowe is a straight shooter and sticks to his guns.
Come the general election many Restore and Advance supporters may not find there is a candidate from their parties standing in thoer constutuency. And those where there are candidates may not be persons one would want in Parliament. "Fantasy Football" politics is fun in between election but come the time to put a cross on a ballot then far fewer voters than polling suggests may sactually vote Restore or Advance. The majority of the "just about managing" may be risk averse about the economy. Meanwhile, fringe parties keep Refrom on it toes which may not be a bad thing. The biggest problem for the right is fatalism, apathy and a voting strike.
I live in a rural Scottish area and its highly unlikely that a Restore candidate will be here. In this circumstance I will pull the lever for Reform, and it will be very reluctantly.
Lowe says he intends to stand candidates in every constituency - given that he already has over 100K members in two weeks I believe that he will or at least get close to doing so.
Its looking more promising than when i made the above comment for sure. My personal take was it would start to taper off sooner due to the media blackout on most locations.
Brexit swapped 2 million Eastern Europeans for 7 million Asians and Africans chiefly from the commonwealth. There is and cannot be a right wing party in the UK while that entity exists.
Okay lmao, I see Reform is paying off retarded people to defend it. Farage should be beheaded for openly betraying his race, this is a non argument with how open he is about it, there is no room for "well he's the best alternative to labor," he's not even better than the Torries. Kill yourself grifter.
Very well put. I was more worried about Restore until a few days ago though when I cottoned onto the fact that, like Advance, its entire supporter base seems to be fuelled by a personal animosity to Farage himself. If they think that Lowe can take on Farage in a battle of personalities then they are sorely mistaken and they'll only alienate themselves further by directly attacking a man the British public have basically made PM-in-waiting.
Nope. Speaking as a Restore member, I couldn’t care less about Farage. I care only to reverse the mass immigration destroying my country: which I doubt would happen under the same people who oversaw that mass immigration in the first place.
The entire point of politics is to win and wield power. The fact that Reform is in this position is remarkable and it can’t be expected that any other party can get to the same position. Furthermore it’s not as if the UK has years to spare on replacing Reform, even if that were possible.
That position is built on a house of sand currently. The bulk of the base is gammon, and they are not happy. Said gammon come from Labour and Conservatives and have a desire for things to get fixed.
The more they look Pro Israel, Islam and soak up scum like Zahawi, it kills appeal to the base. That base has been betrayed for well over a generation by every government.
Fair enough if you are coming at it from that angle - I see what you mean! I have personally always found it amusing when for example you hear everyday people tell us all about the "masses" as though they weren't part of the "masses" themselves!!
No. They should be keeping clear of sand people conflicts. We have been balls deep in the region for 2 decades and we have nothing to show for this apart from dead bodies.
We don’t need to be a supine creature to Israel and it does us no favours.
That’s a legitimate foreign policy observation. Quite separate from Singular hostility to Israel, and to Jews. In actual fact, nearly all American A’s to Israel is spent in America and is in fact, a great big subsidy to the arms in industry, which does it very well for America. And Israel provides massive Support and intelligence in the Middle East — Against an Islamic culture, which presents an existential Threat To the west. You might think America can go completely alone. I think, as a matter of judgment, that wrong. Happy to debate it. Happy to go along with the democratic consensus After the debate. As long as we leave the antisemitism And Israel hatred at the door
I spent 7 years working is close proximity to veterans from these wars. Some of them were contractors and others were a shell shocked husk. This has soured my whole position on the region and primarily Afghanistan.
The current alliance between Green, Islam and Communism is a real threat and by default I have a slight Israel tilt. The issue is they are clearly committing a genocide and most people IRL do agree, whilst I am indifferent because I have no love for desert people, I am not the masses.
Tying a party to massive bombs getting dropped on people is never a good look. its past the point where its even a debate they are targeting civilians.
This is also worth adding that we might get sucked in to Iran, which is not funny. I read the Operation Art of War Substack and Iran is grim reading for a conflict.
Actually Israel does a massive favour keeping mortal enemy of Islam at bay — not least Iran, which would happily put a dirty bomb into London or NY> American aid to Israel has to be spent in the US and is in fact a massive subsidy for American military companies. And Israeli intelligence and technical innovation has played a massive role of keeping the West ahead of China and Russia in key areas. …>And no-one is asking anyone to be supine. Just don’t differentially treat Israel like shit and an enemy.
Israel is creating many off the issues that are destabilising the region and the knock on events are hitting us. Looking back at terror related events since I was a child, they never involved Iran.
As for Israeli intelligence services, that's a double edged sword that has been hitting America very hard. They were operating stingers to tap phones near the White house, choosing who wins elections by funding and other events like Lavon affair.
I understand that they have some use but they are not what I would call a friend. The Barbara Lerner Spectre mindset seems to be a lot more common that most realise.
The problem with Reform, and Restore is that unsurprisingly everything is about immigration and very little touches on fiscal policy. Likewise, the calibre of most of Reform's group is questionable at best, while the Conservatives have typically had more people with much more robust CVs before getting into the job.
For instance, Tice suggesting consolidating pension funds to be used as a sovereign wealth fund is just incorrect, and his meetings with the Andrew Bailey to stop the BoE paying the bank rate is just silly. I have yet to see a fiscal policy that's credible, with the possible exception of restoring the two-child benefit cap.
Nope. Farage is clear he will neither deal with Islam, or deport the thousands of girl hungry savages we keep taking in. Unless that happens, we are done for. Get real. Islam is colonising Europe. Ms. Ayaan Ali Hirsi is quite clear on that, and she should know.
Quran/Sharia bound Islam, stuck in the 11th century is completely incompatible with secular Europe.
“We don’t want to alienate Islam”. Idiot, the Quran is clear that it is already alienated from Christianity and Judaism.
This issue is never dealt with by Jack. He stepped over this and ignored it. He also ignored Farage openly pandering to Islam.
It must be hard being politically stuck in 2015. Read the room; the conversation has moved on.
Moved on to what?
Restore Britain is just the “Your Party” of the Right, that’s obvious, but Farage could have worked harder to bring Lowe back into the fold. They clearly both have absolutely titanic personal egos.
Lowe is driven by his personal dislikes in a way Farage saw too often in his UKIP days, eventually leading to him leaving the party. I suspect that's why Farage wanted him out because Lowe is not a well-meaning but overzealous chap, he is a disruptor who dislikes being questioned.
I had this exact argument with a friend last week. Delighted to see someone articulate my thoughts better than I could.
Would like to apologise for previously being sympathetic to the Lotus Eaters - thought even if a bit intellectually lazy they were effective in keeping elements of the online right engaged with “content” - in retrospect just a liability; willfully attempting to damage Reform for what seems to be a fantasy Swindon is the revolutionary vanguard?
Open letter to Pimlico: Utter shite.
"Trust the plan, bro"
Restore Britain may not be the answer, Advance may not be the answer but a party which isn't explicitly committed to opposing Islam certainly isn't going to solve our problems.
Reform seem pro Islam, and puts it front and centre. That's a massive issue.
This is the issue -- the only one that maters as far as I can see. Farage wants a gong and is complacent about Islam.
You are a long-standing fan of Farage. Nothing new there. But Farage is a snare and a delusion. A charlatan opportunist. Can't be trusted. Rupert Lowe is the real McCoy. Restore wlll scupper 'Deform',God willing! 😇
In that case do you have an answer why he stood down in 2019?
Rupert and his Revenge party will not win the General Election
But they mightl prevent 'Deform' from winning...😉
You are idiot
We are not voting for Blairism again. Read the room.
Who we?
Yes. Reform are a Blairite party and I want it crushed with the other Blairite party's
Restore is only two weeks old and growing rapidly, so a little early to write them off just yet, considering the election is still three years away. Close to 100,000 members in two weeks is quite the accomplishment, though it would be interesting to know how many members are British as opposed to foreign. Agreed Restore have a long way to go but Report Lowe seems more statesman like, dynamic, trustworthy and results oriented than Nigel Farage. It’s not a good look for Farage in his parties treatment of Lowe when he kicked him out of Reform. I would say Reform is hoist by its own petard. Not a good look for Farage castigating Restore as a far right party, also, Matt Goodwin referring to Restore supporters as far right in his Gorton and Denton campaigning.
Did you read the article at all lmao
You make the assumption that people will agree with Jack. The biggest issue that isn't addressed is people just don't trust Reform, and all the promises about XYZ don't matter if that's the case.
If the fundamental issue does boil down to trust, then Reform better start working out a way to fixing it. Every time they screech Nazi at people wanting demographic security it proves they are untrustworthy.
Trust is hard to get and it can be destroyed with a dumb Edgington interview.
Right on the money. A leader needs to earn trust. Take Starmer for example, backtracking on nearly every issue he puts forward. Lowe is a straight shooter and sticks to his guns.
Yes I did.
Come the general election many Restore and Advance supporters may not find there is a candidate from their parties standing in thoer constutuency. And those where there are candidates may not be persons one would want in Parliament. "Fantasy Football" politics is fun in between election but come the time to put a cross on a ballot then far fewer voters than polling suggests may sactually vote Restore or Advance. The majority of the "just about managing" may be risk averse about the economy. Meanwhile, fringe parties keep Refrom on it toes which may not be a bad thing. The biggest problem for the right is fatalism, apathy and a voting strike.
I live in a rural Scottish area and its highly unlikely that a Restore candidate will be here. In this circumstance I will pull the lever for Reform, and it will be very reluctantly.
Lowe says he intends to stand candidates in every constituency - given that he already has over 100K members in two weeks I believe that he will or at least get close to doing so.
Its looking more promising than when i made the above comment for sure. My personal take was it would start to taper off sooner due to the media blackout on most locations.
By this logic the only party that can reform Britain is Restore UK
Brexit swapped 2 million Eastern Europeans for 7 million Asians and Africans chiefly from the commonwealth. There is and cannot be a right wing party in the UK while that entity exists.
Farage was openly calling for this outcome as well. Yet another thing Jack stepped over.
Okay lmao, I see Reform is paying off retarded people to defend it. Farage should be beheaded for openly betraying his race, this is a non argument with how open he is about it, there is no room for "well he's the best alternative to labor," he's not even better than the Torries. Kill yourself grifter.
Very well put. I was more worried about Restore until a few days ago though when I cottoned onto the fact that, like Advance, its entire supporter base seems to be fuelled by a personal animosity to Farage himself. If they think that Lowe can take on Farage in a battle of personalities then they are sorely mistaken and they'll only alienate themselves further by directly attacking a man the British public have basically made PM-in-waiting.
Nope. Speaking as a Restore member, I couldn’t care less about Farage. I care only to reverse the mass immigration destroying my country: which I doubt would happen under the same people who oversaw that mass immigration in the first place.
The entire point of politics is to win and wield power. The fact that Reform is in this position is remarkable and it can’t be expected that any other party can get to the same position. Furthermore it’s not as if the UK has years to spare on replacing Reform, even if that were possible.
That position is built on a house of sand currently. The bulk of the base is gammon, and they are not happy. Said gammon come from Labour and Conservatives and have a desire for things to get fixed.
The more they look Pro Israel, Islam and soak up scum like Zahawi, it kills appeal to the base. That base has been betrayed for well over a generation by every government.
So you must be an aristocrat if you are arrogantly calling people "gammon" - where is your stately home located then - would love to visit!
That's what they think of the base unfortunately. I am one of those said gammon.
Fair enough if you are coming at it from that angle - I see what you mean! I have personally always found it amusing when for example you hear everyday people tell us all about the "masses" as though they weren't part of the "masses" themselves!!
An old mate of mine is now in the upper echelons of a part of the state, and he refers to us as gammon. That not a joke or exaggeration.
They should be pro-Israel and utterly existentially opposed to Islam. Israel is the last bastion against rampant Islamism across Asia
No. They should be keeping clear of sand people conflicts. We have been balls deep in the region for 2 decades and we have nothing to show for this apart from dead bodies.
We don’t need to be a supine creature to Israel and it does us no favours.
That’s a legitimate foreign policy observation. Quite separate from Singular hostility to Israel, and to Jews. In actual fact, nearly all American A’s to Israel is spent in America and is in fact, a great big subsidy to the arms in industry, which does it very well for America. And Israel provides massive Support and intelligence in the Middle East — Against an Islamic culture, which presents an existential Threat To the west. You might think America can go completely alone. I think, as a matter of judgment, that wrong. Happy to debate it. Happy to go along with the democratic consensus After the debate. As long as we leave the antisemitism And Israel hatred at the door
I spent 7 years working is close proximity to veterans from these wars. Some of them were contractors and others were a shell shocked husk. This has soured my whole position on the region and primarily Afghanistan.
The current alliance between Green, Islam and Communism is a real threat and by default I have a slight Israel tilt. The issue is they are clearly committing a genocide and most people IRL do agree, whilst I am indifferent because I have no love for desert people, I am not the masses.
Tying a party to massive bombs getting dropped on people is never a good look. its past the point where its even a debate they are targeting civilians.
This is also worth adding that we might get sucked in to Iran, which is not funny. I read the Operation Art of War Substack and Iran is grim reading for a conflict.
Actually Israel does a massive favour keeping mortal enemy of Islam at bay — not least Iran, which would happily put a dirty bomb into London or NY> American aid to Israel has to be spent in the US and is in fact a massive subsidy for American military companies. And Israeli intelligence and technical innovation has played a massive role of keeping the West ahead of China and Russia in key areas. …>And no-one is asking anyone to be supine. Just don’t differentially treat Israel like shit and an enemy.
Israel is creating many off the issues that are destabilising the region and the knock on events are hitting us. Looking back at terror related events since I was a child, they never involved Iran.
As for Israeli intelligence services, that's a double edged sword that has been hitting America very hard. They were operating stingers to tap phones near the White house, choosing who wins elections by funding and other events like Lavon affair.
I understand that they have some use but they are not what I would call a friend. The Barbara Lerner Spectre mindset seems to be a lot more common that most realise.
That’s so wrong. Islam is expansionist and on the move
The problem with Reform, and Restore is that unsurprisingly everything is about immigration and very little touches on fiscal policy. Likewise, the calibre of most of Reform's group is questionable at best, while the Conservatives have typically had more people with much more robust CVs before getting into the job.
For instance, Tice suggesting consolidating pension funds to be used as a sovereign wealth fund is just incorrect, and his meetings with the Andrew Bailey to stop the BoE paying the bank rate is just silly. I have yet to see a fiscal policy that's credible, with the possible exception of restoring the two-child benefit cap.
This FT article about Reform's experience managing 12 councils is concerning as well. I don't believe parliamentary candidates will be much better: https://www.ft.com/content/dc409a4a-bbef-44f2-a968-ae11d8509c87
More proof of adult governance for its general candidates and proposed fiscal policy is sorely needed.
You can say that it's a new party and it will find its footing in time for 2029. I'm not sold.
It was like they were pulling randos from the street. I still voted for them non the less. Good name btw