A sharp, entertaining rant and mostly right as well. Which is what I often think about Ash Sarkar! She is very London-centric though, it’s an attitude which writes off the likelihood of local identities in the rest of England being open, welcoming and interesting, and thinks you’re much more likely to find that kind of thing abroad. Which is wrong but maybe not the worst crime in the world?
Canadian here. I have no idea who Ash Sarkar is or what she’s complaining about, but I enjoyed your essay.
To me it seems absurd to question English identity or culture. You could look at nearly any field of accomplishment and be amazed by the level of depth and accomplishment. There seems to be some sort of English envy of folk culture on the Continent, but to me the English village or countryside is equally interesting and legitimate (and the whole world enjoys English gardens, villages and farms on TV, as well).
I spent a year in university in Britain and it certainly felt foreign at the time: the pub culture, the bands, the university system, food… probably more disorienting for us than for you coming to North America.
I would note that for a lot of the world England and Britain are synonymous. Growing up in Canada, we used the words interchangeably. Scotland was a quaint and amusing subculture and Wales was a rumour. Practically speaking I think this is true and the British political culture is just in denial and tries to run it down in the spirit of catering to touchy newcomers.
As above …… most entertaining and mostly right. Two ripostes :
1. Scousers aren’t english because they’re mostly irish .
2. The importance of Judeo Christian influence obviously comes from the dark ages onwards when tribes were persuaded to stop killing each other and destroying each other’s goods . This became increasingly sophisticated and lead to cultural improvements via monasteries and other vehicles of worship . Voluntary association you rightly highlight, in the build up of trust , leading to the spread of education and the encouragement of genius , both in Britain and abroad . Meanwhile the french were stuck with their crazy ideas on revolution and subsequent top down management. And the germans spanish and italians ……. well , let’s not go on about them ……
On (1), that's their own mythology to an extent, but it isn't true. Yes, there was a lot of Irish immigration to Liverpool, but it isn't correct to say that Scousers are 'mostly Irish'.
The sudden 'switch' in politics in the '70s I think speaks for itself. It's a modern identity, purely born out of political spite.
A sharp, entertaining rant and mostly right as well. Which is what I often think about Ash Sarkar! She is very London-centric though, it’s an attitude which writes off the likelihood of local identities in the rest of England being open, welcoming and interesting, and thinks you’re much more likely to find that kind of thing abroad. Which is wrong but maybe not the worst crime in the world?
Canadian here. I have no idea who Ash Sarkar is or what she’s complaining about, but I enjoyed your essay.
To me it seems absurd to question English identity or culture. You could look at nearly any field of accomplishment and be amazed by the level of depth and accomplishment. There seems to be some sort of English envy of folk culture on the Continent, but to me the English village or countryside is equally interesting and legitimate (and the whole world enjoys English gardens, villages and farms on TV, as well).
I spent a year in university in Britain and it certainly felt foreign at the time: the pub culture, the bands, the university system, food… probably more disorienting for us than for you coming to North America.
I would note that for a lot of the world England and Britain are synonymous. Growing up in Canada, we used the words interchangeably. Scotland was a quaint and amusing subculture and Wales was a rumour. Practically speaking I think this is true and the British political culture is just in denial and tries to run it down in the spirit of catering to touchy newcomers.
Very good.
Bit of French culture in Concorde too... 😉
Thought provoking while not adverse to humour, bravo.
As above …… most entertaining and mostly right. Two ripostes :
1. Scousers aren’t english because they’re mostly irish .
2. The importance of Judeo Christian influence obviously comes from the dark ages onwards when tribes were persuaded to stop killing each other and destroying each other’s goods . This became increasingly sophisticated and lead to cultural improvements via monasteries and other vehicles of worship . Voluntary association you rightly highlight, in the build up of trust , leading to the spread of education and the encouragement of genius , both in Britain and abroad . Meanwhile the french were stuck with their crazy ideas on revolution and subsequent top down management. And the germans spanish and italians ……. well , let’s not go on about them ……
On (1), that's their own mythology to an extent, but it isn't true. Yes, there was a lot of Irish immigration to Liverpool, but it isn't correct to say that Scousers are 'mostly Irish'.
The sudden 'switch' in politics in the '70s I think speaks for itself. It's a modern identity, purely born out of political spite.
Bwilliant, Bwave and so so Bwitish!
PS: Margot Robbie why
Clapham
aha I see I just searched it
Another possible explanation: dearth of yookay-born high-mids